Science of Spirit Alliance

Investigating the Primary of Consciousness over Matter showing an Acceleration of Human Evolution moving from a Catapillar to a Butterfly  

finding the Spirit-within  in a state of Bioelectrical Wellness using High-Spin Monoatomic Trace Minerals .

                                  Taking Monoatomic's for the Record  

Excerpts from, "Decoding the Philosopher's Stone: Milk of the Gods: an Alchemist's Bible of Monoatomic Elements" a  republished book  by Robert Donald Tonelli 

Milk of the Gods...  

 Why does man live within the rigid walls of time... until his evil stupidity... is burned out of him...  It is... because each of his weaknesses may become his assassin. Benevolent blindness  protects man from his only real enemy, himself ...Stealing the Great Arcanum (Red Lion) is vain... for his own imperfect character is his trap, and he will perish with his loot. 

A Quote: From The Book, Red Lion: The Alchemical transformation and an Evolution of Consciousness of the Alchemist.

 Taking Monoatomic's for the Record 

The following transcript is from a recorded conversation between myself [Binga] and one of the key players in the area of Monoatomic elements. The interview took place on July 27, 1996. Prior to our recorded conversation, it was agreed that the interviewee was to remain as anonymous as possible therefore I cannot provide any specific information (e.g. name, contact information, position, location etc.). For the record, I personally attest that this person is indeed both qualified and capable of speaking on the following subjects. This material is not copyrighted and may be reproduced and distributed freely, but only in its entirety.


Question from Binga: I understand that you have ingested Monoatomics in the past, what product did you take?


Answer?From  You: A combination of Iridium and Rhodium.


Binga: When?

You: About two years ago.


Binga: How much?

You: I started with 250 mg a day and by the time I ended a 42 day fast was up to about 2500 mg. I probably took 2500 mg for a total of five or six days though, and I only did 250 mg three or four days.


Binga: Then went up to 1000 mg?

you: I'm impatient, I moved up very, very quickly. I started taking the material eight days into the fast. I did a lot of cleansing both before and during (slightly into the fast). During the fast, we monitored every single detail we could including: blood sugar, blood pressure, weight, temperature...things we could have a handle on.


Binga: So, you were fasting for seven days. On the eighth day, you started taking 250 mg. Are you still taking it?

you: I still take material but I don't take it in that volume. Now you have to understand, these materials are present in carrots. They're present in all kinds of food.


Binga: Yeah, grape juice, bilberry, slippery elm bark ... are you currently taking any isolated material?

you: Occasionally. But not at 2500 mg doses.


Binga: Why did you take it in the first place?

you: There were a lot of things we wanted to find out about and there was no other way to do it. I'll tell you right now: we didn't know if I would die or not.

Binga: But you were willing.

you: I have no fear about anything like that. I really do not have any fear.


Binga: What effect(s) can you attribute to your ingestion of this material?

you:  It wasn't very long after I started, that the sound started occurring. *The sound outside of sound.* That really is key to what can happen. Most people will hear that and think their ears are ringing. If you're careful, you'll realize that it's not in your ears. As you proceed with this, you'll realize that it actually moves outside your head and just above the crown of your head. It's more than a sound, it becomes an emanation... it really does. And that's when you have something that you can work with. By far, the majority of people who've ever had to deal with this didn't have a clue. If they'd studied some Taoist alchemy... if they had studied anything and applied it to themselves rather than keeping everything outside themselves... they'd have known that the dialogue they build with that phenomena gives them the keys to the next steps. There really is a trade-off that starts to occur. That's what made my experience so uniquely different from everyone else.


binga: So you were prepared for it.

You? I knew what to do. But there are very, very few people who do. This takes place internally. It's an active process. You're not going to sit there and have this zip through you and all of the sudden these wonderful things are there. It can't be that way. That's not the way the circuit is set up in your system. Your chakras and realizations are not built that way. Nothing is built that way. And to expect something outside of that is absolute foolishness.


Binga: Is that all you experienced?

You? No, but that's a two day conversation in itself. If you want to get to the rest of your questions... it got to the point where I was standing in an electric flame. I could tell you a million things that occurred that were all way different from anything normal, but they occurred progressively as a result of me dealing with them.


Binga: Were you psychic prior to ingesting it?

You: Yeah, probably. But what happened afterwards is truly unique. It changed everything in a way that hasn't made my life very nice. If you were to talk with some people, they would say it's made me impossible to be around... there's no way in the world to lie. It's not fun. Most people are not going to like it. It's not light-hearted. It's not easy. Unless you have someone that you can deal with that has a point of reference for it, you're going to be very alone. These materials and how they've been dealt with historically have a rich, beautiful tradition built around them. Only now do I understand why.


Binga: Any adverse effects?

You: Well, my life is not *Father Knows Best.*


Binga: Are there any lasting manifestations?

You: Absolutely yes.


Binga: Care to elaborate?

You: Well, psychic, physical, emotional.


Binga: Did you get more psychic?

You: Yes, oh god yes. Little things, all the time. It got to the point where you just didn't want to deal with it anymore. Like answering someone way before they ask you... it scares people. When this happens thirty times or more, they realize that it's not just a coincidence.


Binga: Do you think that your experience is typical of what others might experience?

u: No, I don't think my experience is typical of what anyone else experienced who did any meaningful amount of it. I'll tell you right now, I'm the only one who did what I did. All of these sages that came out of the woodwork: after about 15 or 20 days, couldn't even make their fast. They started cutting corners and then said: *Well it didn't happen to me.*


binga: Had you had previous kundalini experiences?

You:Yes, I had on several occasions in my life.


b: Were you on the verge of having these experiences on your own volition?

u: Well, it?s like this: I knew what to expect. When it started to occur, it didn't frighten me. It's like waking up in an Astral dream, the first few times you frighten yourself into waking. After that you finally say *Wait a minute, don't do a thing, I think we have finally hit the trigger,* and then you float out. That's something I had worked at for years, and years, and years. I got so far into it, I finally quit doing it. It got to where I could do it any time I wanted to within five minutes or so.


b: Out of body experiences?

u: Yeah, I could put myself right there.


b: Well you've been on a spiritual path since what? Age eight?

u: My whole life has been tied to it. Being down-to-earth, incredibly well-grounded, reasonable, logical and not giving up common sense is very important in this work. We're going to have to call it a prerequisite.


b: What do you think the mechanism is at play here? Is this a chemical reaction?

u: Well everything in your body, we could sooner or later get around to saying, is chemical but the junctions in your nervous system are all made up of these materials. You've probably seen the paper -Superconductive Tunneling and Biological Systems. When you start overloading everything with this material, your real potential begins to be accessed. Now that's one thing that happens. The real trick to it deals with the mono-atomic gold in a perfectly charged way. We could go on forever on this...


b: We have a lot of ground to cover too. Has anyone taken mono-atomic gold?

u: Yes.

b: Who? You?

u: Yes.

b: How long did you take it?

u: Very little. Not for very long.

b: Why did you stop?

u: There's very little of it to go around.


b: You would have taken more?

You: Of course I would have. I'll tell you right now. Mono-atomic gold can only be typified as *The,* not *a,* *The Precursor.*


binga:So you'd take as much as you could get?

u: It's not a matter of how much, it's a matter of having it prepared properly. It takes very little when it's prepared properly.


b: What do you think a full course of the gold for humans is?

u: A full course would be one application.


b: Like 500 mg?

u: No, I doubt it's anywhere close to that. 500 mg, when you throw it out on a table, isn't very much. But we're not talking volume here. Volume has nothing to do with it. It's also what you bring to the table that will have a great deal to do with the banquet you enjoy.


b: What role do you play now in all of this?

u: Well, my role is my own. It's not really connected to anything. But, it is important to me, personally, to put together enough coherent information to allow people a little easier access to this body of knowledge than they have had historically with alchemical information. I used to be so angry about how the alchemical texts were written because so much of it is misleading. Some of it is bad. Some of it's misinformation.


b: On purpose.

u: There was a real good reason for that, but now it's time for that reason to be over. There's a lot of danger that goes with this and the danger is not something that takes place with occult practices. What I'm talking about is, for example: say you were able to convert lead into gold. The monetary systems around the world are built around this system and all *the powers that be* are pretty happy about the arrangement. If you have a wild card show up, it becomes dangerous for a lot of reasons.


binga: We are all aware of the philosophical claims made for these materials: do you think the claims can be borne out?

u: Absolutely.

binga: Will humans truly affect bio-location?

u: Absolutely.

binga: You just think about where you want to go and you're there?

u: Absolutely.

Binga: And you just take along your physical body?

u: Absolutely. Absolutely.


Binga: It's not a purified physical body? Sort of a less dense version of what we have?

u: Listen, it is physical. It is so physical you can eat, have sex, bleed.

binga: Is this the voice of experience?

You: No. But I'm telling you it's absolutely physical. It's not allegorical. It's not symbolic. Those are nothing more than Tinkerbell and Disney.


binga: Could we beam our selves to an inhospitable environment and die?

u: No you can't.

binga: It's physical.

u: It's physical here where it's supposed to be this way.


binga: So you become what ever is appropriate for the place you beam to?

u: Yeah, of course. You'd hate to show up at the ball in your painting clothes. But from the point of logic you are using right now, you can only apply that logic to how that might be. When it occurs, you've already moved yourself to that place. The change takes place at the same time.


Binga But you still have memories of this third dimensional reality and your previous life. You are still *you?*

u: It's not just a memory. Which do you think would be the most amazing miracle: if I brought someone back to life, or changed water to wine. The truth is: they're both the same. If you can do one, the other's just as possible.


binga: It's just moving atoms around.

u: It's even simpler than that. You're turning, literally turning, ninety degrees.  There's another reality right around the corner. And when I say right, I mean ninety degrees. It's physically right around the corner.


b: Isn't it just a change of perspective or perception?

u: No, there's a whole new deal there that is beautiful and so totally *other* that it's nearly impossible to imagine from here. But you can go both ways. Once you are capable of one, you can do the other. Like I said, water into wine is no different that turning lead into gold.


b: Or turning the sky green.

u: That's right, once you learn to cheat this way you can cheat any way you want.

b: How about the technological claims? Like the fuel cell application?

u: Oh yeah, that's totally wrapped up. That's fact, fact, fact.


Binga: How about the medical claims?

u: Absolutely. All the technological and biological possibilities are incredibly real possibilities.

b: Do you see any other uses that haven't been mentioned?

u: Thousands of them. Anything that concerns itself with catalytics...


Binga: Are we finally going to get off the grid? Will we be free?

u: Well we may be, and there will be many, many, many hundreds and thousands that will. But if you're talking about the five billion or six billion: most of those are going to perish. But that's OK, it took this many to get us where we are now.


Binga: So we're talking the 144,000?

You: Well, don't hold me to a figure like that. There's just a logistical problem that goes along with this. You can't just hand it out in a crowd, there's a lot more that goes into this. But let me tell you, the capabilities of discernment that go along with what I'm talking about are great.

binga: So when you're talking about *this stuff* do you mean Rhodium, Iridium, Gold? Do you mean all of it?

You: No.


b: You only mean gold.

u: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.


b: So what about the rest of the stuff? Is it only gold that will do the philosophical?

u: No, the other will do a lot of things but I'm talking about something beyond most people's ability to even imagine.


b: You said before the you thought many people might die from the ingestion of these materials.

u: The emotional shock of it would be enough to kill most people. Look, even if you took someone 3/4 brain-dead and started pumping it down them, in a certain amount of time you would probably start to affect them on an emotional level.


Binga: Do they need to *believe* it's going to work?

u: No, this doesn't require any belief. These are physical materials, they're not allegorical.


b: What can you do to prepare yourself in order *not* to die or suffer any adverse effects?

u: You cannot sit in a cloistered room and prepare yourself for any type of disturbance. Your ability to deal with being disturbed, having your boat rocked, putting up with the storm, being tough, being gentle, being loving, being harsh, being all of those things...


binga: Being real?

u: Yes, those are the things that prepare you for this. Thinking everything is love, beautiful and New Age horse shit, isn't going to do it. You're going to get slam-dunked.


Binga: What types of adverse effects to you anticipate?

u: It could be as simple as someone with cancer, who doesn't believe that something so weird could possibly have an effect on them, taking it at the request of a loved one and finding themselves miraculously cured. Now that could be a huge emotional shock to someone. If you really think about it for a minute, people's belief systems act as *the* best prisons in the world.


b: I was speaking more in terms of physiology.

u: No, no I don't think so. Your whole body depends on this just to be able to act like you're alive.


Binga: Do you think everyone should ingest monoatomics? Who should or should not and why?

u: Everyone does ingest monoatomics. They're present in common everyday foods. I don't think life would go on at all without them.


binga: In concentrated forms.

You: In concentrated forms, I don't think it's for everyone. I don't think many people, in terms of percentages of the population are going to be compelled to deal with this in the way someone who has spent years working on a spiritual path would be.


Binga: So, only people who are working on a path ....

u: Well, people who have been drawn to it from some very deep part of their soul.


Binga: With the many other materials purported to be mono-atomic on the market today and the prospect of even more in the future, how will we be able to tell what is real and what is not?

You: 99.9% of all materials out there are total bullshit. Most people are being sold a bunch of hype. There are some materials out there with Monoatomics in them, but generally you can get just as much from a couple of carrots. You know it makes me feel very mad that this is being capitalized on by such unscrupulous people.


Binga: So how can we tell what is real?


You: There are people selling materials that have mercury and lead in them. They know it, and they're not including it in the analysis they are putting forth. Through the analyses we've done, I can assure you that any *White Gold* products (and there are many out there), contain no mono-atomic gold. Some are even contaminated with lead, a fact they choose not to include in their public analysis. Now, isn't that Spiritual?


b: Yeah, this brings out the best and the worst in people. So there's no way for people to tell if the material is safe, or real, or what?


u: The only way to tell if a material is mono-atomic is through testing. If they are willing to pay for it. It can be done, but it's going to cost $3500 to $4000 to do a certified analysis. There's only one lab, that I know of that can do it.


b: Can't you put it in aqua regia and if it doesn't dissolve....?

u: Yes, that would be a quick and dirty test. But all you would know is that it's mono-atomic. You wouldn't know what it was: Osmium, Ruthenium.... etc. But you could also have something left there that's not Monoatomic,  but you could also have something left there that's not Monoatomic, especially if the source wasn't from a pure metal standard.


Binga: For what purpose, in your opinion, should the mono-atomic gold be used?

You: Most people who are going to take it on purpose are doing so for the sake of expanded consciousness. The gold has unique physical properties. There are technological applications but those have never been applied. This is the edge of the razor here, can you feel it?


binga:So what would you do with a pile of mono-atomic Ruthenium?

You:Well, quite often those elements are very desirable in electronics.


binga: And Palladium?

You: Well, those could be applied to a lot of catalytic applications.



You: Electronics.


binga: Iridium?

You: Any type of surface-wear applications. Plating. Where very durable corrosive resistance necessities are present. Any catalytic application. The same is true for Rhodium. Of course the biological applications for those two are the best known at this point.


b: You said previously: *You don't have to be a chemist to make this stuff,* what did you mean by that? 

u: Any housewife in Dallas could make this material right now in her own kitchen, if she did her homework.


Binga: But it still involves chemicals... correct?

u: Yes, it does. Lots of study, lots of time, lots of diligent observation.


b: Lots of holding your mouth right, saying the right things over it, putting your hands on it?

u: No, this is a physical thing. The observation is important. There's a lot of things that can happen. You have to build an affinity for it.


b: Does it take twenty years?

u: No, you could do it in a few years probably. But it's one of those things that if you screw-up part of the way through it, you have to go back and start over. You can't imagine how disheartening that is. It really is an exercise in patience, perseverance and observation. My position on this is if someone is jazzed about it, they should bring it into their life. What they bring is a rich tradition that is full of guidance that will come to them when their heart is in the right place.


Binga: Some people have children, bills to pay, and Oprah to watch. They don't have time to do it.

You: And that's a choice for them. This isn't something on the level where people just casually say they have an extra $100,000 or $500,000... there's no amount of money that can be put on what we're talking about.


b: There are a lot of people who think you could.

You: Those are the same people who should study the Mayan cargo system which still exists today. That is: you don't send money to put on the parade when it's your turn to carry the flag. You carry the flag because that's the only thing that counts for carrying the flag. When people think for a second that they can spend $500 and get a seat next to the Buddha they're wrong.


b: What do you think the ramifications of the distribution, and subsequent ingestion of monoatomics will be on: human evolution, society, technology, finance, consciousness, the planet, the known/unknown universe?

u: Everything we know will be changed... on all levels.


b: Could you be more explicit? What do you think will happen to society?

You: When people start taking it and the materials start being applied, not just in terms of oral ingestion, the world will never be the same again.


b: What is your vision of that?

You: Everything from biology to power production, political structures (decentralization of government), everything has the potential to be radically changed. So many of the things I just mentioned are based on structures and paradigms which are centered around control of resources....


binga: And perceptions.

You: And perceptions, and all of those can very easily be displaced by the applications of these materials.


Binga: What do you think will be the effects on the known and unknown universe?

u: They're going to trade places. The expansion will be so great that *expansion* is what is.


b: The process is what it's all about.

u: Yeah, it's not a matter of getting to a point where we've made this achievement... we've become aware because of the speed of this achievement that it's an expansive, never-ending process.


b: Some of us, who are *present,* are aware of this.

u: Some are. It's balance through movement. Like movement you have in the European Tarot deck's two of discs. It's like the movement of a bicycle, the movement forward is what allows for the balance.  The stability is there through the movement. Where most people cling to an idea of stability with no movement.


Binga: Many people I come into contact with, think of it as a destination.

u: There is a lot of belief that this is *the end.*


b: Do you see only a few people taking it at first?

u: Only a few.


b: Do you foresee a time when it will be available in vending machines?

u: No, I don't. If you study how our planet was peopled, creating the beings we are now, you'll find that political structures have always made this an elitist phenomenon.


Binga: What kind of time frame are we looking at?

u: This is total conjecture on my part, but... a lot of this will remain in research for the next five years or so. [15 years or so] After that, there may be efforts for it to trickle out in some way. There are other people, I personally know, who are so far down the road in applications and technologies (not necessarily in terms of production capabilities)... but you throw money at that one and the problem goes away very quickly. There are many people working on this same project, as there have been in the past. There are several ways of making this material. 


b: You've said that there are different forms of monoatomic gold? Do you mean different spin states?

u: It's not a matter of a higher spin state. It's a matter of once it is in the high-spin state, it being properly charged. That involves very subtle operations. Very subtle. We're talking beauty again, that's how subtle.


Binga: Beauty in the true sense of the word. 

You: There *is* a difference in these materials. They are all individual, unique materials. They have their own qualities. That's why they have different names. To lump them all together under one heading as monoatomic gold is just not accurate. These are different materials.


binga:You are making a distinction between isolated Monoatomics and more highly charged monoatomics?

u: Yes, yes I am. This aspect has not been addressed as far as I know.


Binga: So what is the correct term to use in referring to these higher-charged materials?

u: I call it the Philosopher's Stone. You could call it the Manna. There's a lot of things you could call it.


b: But there's as much difference as night and day ... ingesting this over the other.

u: That's an understatement. 


Binga: Are you aware of other materials which carry the same attributes and implications? 

u: No, this is it...the real thing...the only thing. 


b: This meaning higher-charged monoatomics?

u: You have to understand: the isolated materials are The Precursors. They were very difficult precursors to ever come up with. Very difficult. But it's the battery that you have to charge. It has to be charged to be able to turn over the governors that are present in our genetic code. Those were programmed in.


Binga: What practical advice do you have for those of us who know about these materials, and the potential

they hold, but are living outside of ground-zero?

You: Do your own homework. Don't let anyone impose *their* truth on you. Let them present the various facts and make your own decision. Keep searching for answers... your own answers. That seems a little patronizing in general, but realize that it takes work... physical work. This is not something you read into existence. You read enough to know that you have to do something physical. If all you do is read the book  ?In Pursuit of Gold? there's enough information there (if you apply yourself) to go very, very far. For someone who's doing nothing, that is a huge step forward.


binga: Do you have any specific advice for members of the SOSF? [Science of Spirit foundation]

You: This material is real, but if someone expects to eat it and suddenly fly through the chimney: they're in for a real surprise. But the material, in terms of medical performance, is real. It will perform as expected and then some.


binga:  And the technological part? Some people are expecting to make some money on their investment.

You: They very well may. But there are so many other uses for this material...

binga: If you had it all to do over again, what would you do differently?

You: Absolutely nothing.


binga: No regrets on any of it?    

You: None at all.

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 No one should start thoughtlessly down the path of the arcane sciences... for once he starts he must persevere to the goal. Otherwise, he will be lost. Once on the path, a single doubt will produce madness, a single stop will cause a fall, a single attempt to shrink back will plunge the luckless soul into a bottomless abyss. You who are beginning to take these powders will be either a king or a madman? once you have finished you can do what you want with it? you will never hate or forget it. If your heart is pure, it will be a shining torch? if your heart is strong, it will be a weapon in your hand? if your heart is wise it will become wiser. But if your heart is base, these white powers will be hell fire to you? it will brand your soul and weigh your conscience with eternal sorrow and Restlessness.?          

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The Isis White Powder: By Everet Karels  

This is channeled information from Ramtha about the white powder. Accept it with whatever skepticism you wish to assign to it.

On February 18, 1996, in response to a direct question, Ramtha stated that the Isis White Powder had no discernible healing power, other than that of a placebo.  Due to the great power of the mind to effect healing, you cannot discount the placebo effects.  However, the healing comes from the mind; not from Isis.

Earlier, Hudson had told me that his analysis of the Isis White Powder showed that it was comprised of 98 percent dirt.  Because most people do not digest dirt too well, some people may experience stomach cramps after taking Isis.  Thus, when you take Isis, you have a race in your body between the placebo healing effects and stomach cramps.  You can judge for yourself which wins the race in your own body.

For anyone to try to generalize the observed effects of any placebo such that the effects can be projected across a general population base would be an exercise in futility.  Any observed effects from any placebo are due to the patient's mind; not the substance taken.  (Any placebo operates to give each patient the exact effects that patient expects. 

Try putting that into a computerized database.) Ramtha continued to state that the real white powder was not yet available and that we (his audience) should wait for it. It would be available soon. During November 1995, Ramtha stated that Hudson had the real thing and that we should wait for him to get his production going before taking any white powder for healing purposes. 

We should avoid taking substitute materials because they are not what they claim to be.  He commented that Hudson had been chosen to rediscover this material and had been receiving divine guidance for the last 14 years of his quest, without Hudson's knowledge. Apparently, this means that Hudson has been receiving flashes of inspiration.
 The Red Lion...The Elixir of Eternal Life by Maria Szepes
Excerpts from the Book. Chapter 3 - The Walled-In Crypt:

This is an excerpt from the book after the protagonist, Hans has killed his friend and Alchemy teacher Rochard for his leather bag containing the Red Lion (an Alchemical Powder) he was told that he was not evolved or conscious enough to handle the red powder this lifetime, But he took it anyway to prove that he was.

I opened the leather bag and took out a gold box about the size of a man?s fist. It was decorated with crowns of iron, silver and gold, and there was a Latin inscription under them, Curso Completo. I raised the lid carefully and saw the lion's head set with jaspers that sparkled in the light. It was strange that the goldsmith had hidden this perfect work on the underside of a lid. The box contained a powder that was deep red as the jaspers and sparkled like gold. The color and brilliance of it so filled my emotions that I had to cry.

I filled a silver goblet with some red wine I had bought, then sprinkled a few pinches of the boxs ample content into it. The thin, light wine turned blood red and then took on a blinding brilliance. I was careful to wait until the powder had dissolved completely, stirring it gingerly with a spilliken.

Then I lifted the goblet to my lips. The divine potion felt cool and light to my throat, and its sweet balsam fragrance woke an unquenchable thirst. I filled the goblet, sprinkled in more powder and drank greedily, filled with euphoria.

Suddenly I fell into a stupor, and the goblet fell from my nerveless fingers. I heard it clang, but it sounded so far away, drowned by the wild rumbling in my brain. The cool light liquid had become molten fire within me. It burned and distended my organs, and the inarticulate sounds wrenched from my throat relieved me not at all. I was paralyzed and helpless, watching with horror the unbearable pressure that should have shattered a frail human body.

I heard voices now, multitudes of them, and colors and forms joined in a bursting crescendo, just as though I was throw into a witches? Sabbath. Screams of agony and desire, the racket of grinding metal, sobbing, and obscene whispers filled my being. Shapes swam before me; wet, black and withering. While I stared at these ominous sights, two glowing points of light appeared and rushed towards me, spinning and forming themselves into a fireball as they came. It burst in my face with a deafening shriek.

I thought I had seen the whole carnival of hell, but now colored vortexes swirled towards me, vortexes with monstrous faces that changes before I could even become fully aware of them. The faces were part animal and part human, the distorted products of a twisted mind. I saw an egg shaped tree trunk covered with elephant skin where open mouths drooled and withered. Another jelly-like mass had gaping sockets from which sleek snake swung, their heads blazing eyes. There was an obscene black hare with giant tusks and bloody eyes.

I saw dogs with curved beaks, birds with elephant trunks and bat ears, an ape whose cheeks hung down like a woman?s breasts. Then there were human faces ? dreamy-eyed women with erect phalluses for noses, obese men with genitalia for eyes and an octopus with baby?s hands and an evil human face. All of these faces laughed at me. How mean and destructive laughter can be!

Suddenly a hurricane rose in the deafening chaos and whirled it all away, the screaming mouths, clinging limbs, twining tentacles, and fragments of color and sound. Now the hot wind clutched at me too, filling me with pain and terror and perverse desire. I felt the suicidal pleasure of self-destruction as the emotional tornado forced me through the basest of desires. But I kept pulling out; my body was heavy stake that jerked me back to earth. I was alive ? ?one of the living dead who wakes to find himself alive in a walled-in crypt?.

Now Rochard?s warning seemed terribly real to me. For had I not just awakened to eternal life in a tomb?

My enlightened vision saw the inferno that was my spiritual home ? a place of obscene decay and the lowest passions. I was helpless against the forces I had unleashed, for I had jumped into the deep sea of transcendental laws without knowing my way or the meaning of the warning signs. And I was terrified beyond the capacity of human emotion. I did not know how to conquer the fear.

Be afraid, Rochard had said. ?You still have things to fear.?

Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 2

Now I understood him. I was one of the weak mortals who had been blinded by grace because my mind was not sufficiently developed to bear the truth. Now I had rejected the natural evolution that would have developed me properly for the great transmutation. I had stepped out of the stream of mental necessity that guides, polishes, tempers with suffering, and protects its hapless subject throughout time.

I had broken unprepared into another existence. My body was now unnaturally resilient, in truth a glass coffin in which my mind ragged in terror, unable to die or find release. Now I was truly a leprous beggar in both worlds, at home in neither, persecuted in both. In the mortal world, I was a demon possessed sinner; in the other I was an ignorant weakling....  

 I now understood the question...

 Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 3

Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 4

Imitations of Hudson?s White Powder 

The following excerpts were taken from a forum at They are presented here with as little editing as possible, so that you may read them and make up your own mind. (Only the formatting has been edited to keep some sense of consistency throughout this book)  (This Magical Material is Clay white powder i.e. sand, dirt mined from a "Secret Clay Deposit" in Northern California the material is called EG ? Etherium Gold and Isis WPG- Isis White Powder Gold or Prima Matra and is sold by the gram for Big Bucks through networking and over the internet for 10 ten years now?  )

Heavy Metals Testing Protocols: by Joe Champion

? Would you be willing to part with 15 grams of their material, I will establish  agreements with three independent laboratories. These laboratories will be "main stream," with at least two being accredited universities. 

? I must add this caveat, since mono-atomic (in the sense of David's claims and as used on this forum) is not an established scientific phenomenon, it will not be possible to report its presence, or absence. I'm all for sponsoring some independent lab testing on these materials. There is one problem with the current plan, we will have no idea if the results of the assay are the true contents of the sample or due to low-energy nuclear transmutations in the source material during the tests (which is also not an established scientific phenomenon).

   From Tony Sanders Post

Additional Response on Testing -1

From: Simeon and Maia - Crest In The Stone Mystery School...

Binga posted the synopsis of the personal communication between Joe Champion and Ian Kelley, which included information regarding the proposed testing of the naturally occurring powders being called EG, Isis WPG, Prima Matra depending on who you are talking to. We had posted our affirmative response to that (which we had proposed in the first place to Joe Champion in a private message) in the unmoderated forum, and repeat that here:  Joe, We would be amenable to the proposal with supplying 15 grams. As we don't have a scale that can measure an exact gram we would send enough to ensure it was at least 5 grams per package. We have no commercial interest ourselves, so use for advertising does not concern us. We would publish the all of the results along with?  

 To Joe, Tony et al,

We do understand that the testing will not be for monoatomics, primarily for heavy metals. We would be willing to provide the entire 45 grams if necessary because no one else volunteers, however it appears you had wanted a wider sample range if we read you correctly.

Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 5

Content of Etherium Gold By Forrest Fulkerson   Date: June 5, 1996

   Hello, I just thought that I would give some values for heavy metals ratios to weight in bottle and the average body weight.

The ICP/MS analysis stated that so many ppm of certain metals (parts per million or mg/Kg of sample) were present; Uranium 2.16, Lead 17.1, Arsenic 1.32, Titanium 2790, and Thorium 9.94 ppm. 

The  2 Oz Bottle of Etherium Gold contains the following actual milligrams of heavy metals:

Uranium  .123 mg, Lead .969 mg, Arsenic .0748 mg, Titanium 158mg, and Thorium .563 mg.  If the average body weight of 150 lbs is considered then a ppm of heavy metal mg/ body weight Kg is: Uranium 0.0018 ppm or 1.8 ppb (part per billion), Lead 0.014 ppm, Arsenic 0.001 ppm, Titanium 2.322 ppm, and Thorium .008 ppm.

These values are the worst case scenerio in that all the heavy metals in the ICP/MS report were considered non mono-atomic and fully adsorbed and retained by the body.  This is unlikely to happen in real life, but new lower values for levels of different heavy metals in our body are being set by gov't agencies.  I don't happen to have the values handy so if anyone were to be so kind as to help me with the values, I would appreciate it.    Forrest,

To people of the forum,

I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated reports, other than personal testimony, that has been allowed onto the forum.  How is it that we are still talking hamburgers?  Why don't we just concentrate on the Etherium Gold?  Since no one has recent data on the amount of heavy metals in hamburgers or in particular McDonald's Hamburgers, why is this comparison allowed to continue or even pertinent? 

I believe that I have provided some hard facts, and I expect that anyone with a rebuttal, if they see themselves in that position, to also come up with hard facts and not hamburgers with no meat! 

Otherwise, it seems that the rebuttal is not in good faith and the EGO is somehow involved.  Maybe to question is going to cut into the Etherium Technologies pockets at the potential risk of heavy metal contamination to unlucky ingesters!

How is it possible for a radioactive element to not register radiation? Give me some proof, examples, etc... .   Forrest-

 Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 6
  Jim Mars on David Hudson and ORMEs. part 7

Ormes User?s Guide From:  

The Philosophers Stone... The what Is It... The Manna.

You asked for it and here it is.. The Food of the Spirit.. The original ?Soul food.? Imagine that you just received your first shipment of ORMES, & this guide was included. 

From:  Wed, 2 Apr 1997

I compiled this information for my own benefit, and I hope it will be useful to others in the group. I am not responsible for anything that happens to anyone as a result of following this advice. I am simply relaying what was reported by David Hudson and others.

The Product:

The material comes in individual labeled containers of ORME Ruthenium, ORME Osmium, ORME Platinum, ORME Rhodium, ORME Iridium and ORME Gold [1].

Estimated daily amount per membership: 16-19 mg Gold, 1400-1500 mg mono-atomic Iridium and mono-atomic Rhodium[1].

This shipment should last 90 days and will be shipped quarterly[1]. For how long is not stated.

This ORME Gold is at least 980 thousand parts per million pure(2).

People who need this material for medicinal purposes may want it in the Chloride form (1).

 Dosage: The suggested dosage varies widely.

David Hudson took 4 to 5 mg of Monoatomic Gold in 1 gallon of water (1).

50 mg/day (of Monoatomic Rhodium/Iridium is recommended for health (3).

?500 mg/day of Monoatomic Rhodium/Iridium) was the price of admission to the celestial staircase to heaven (4).?

David Hudson reported that four people who were vegetarians, who already were hearing the high?frequency sound in their heads, and were already seeing the angels in their meditations, experienced no effect at 500 mg of mono-atomic Iridium/Rhodium per day.

He said, ?I have concluded, therefore, that these people had already achieved the first level naturally and therefore need higher levels of material?say, 2500 mg. (5)?

A person identified as CO fasted for 40 days while taking mono-atomic Iridium/ Rhodium. The maximum dose he took was 2500 mg/day. He said, ?A full course (of mono-atomic Gold) would be one application.... I doubt it?s anywhere close to (500 mg).(6)?=7F 

How To Proceed

 David Hudson said, ?Ease into it very gently.? ?I?ll take the Rhodium, Iridium first. I think you have to perfect your body before you make it permanent (with the Gold) (1).? Put the product in water and dissolve it (1).

 The full course for ascension is to fast 10 days, then take the material for 30 days while fasting, at least 500 mg/day (I assume of monoatomic Iridium and Rhodium). Hudson said, ?The actual conversion process does seem to take 9 months ... You can?t undo this (3).?

Eventually, people start hearing a high-frequency sound outside of the head ? the ?hu? sound (3). CO said, ?The dialog they build with that phenomena gives them the keys to the next step (6).?

What To Avoid

Certain things ?pin? ORMES to their metallic state; they will de?spin the mono-atomic Platinum?group elements into their metallic form (1).

These should be avoided:

 Short wavelength ultraviolet light

  • Nitric oxide, such as in smog
  • Sulfides (S03), such as in some salad dressings
  • Carbon, such as in burned food
  • Carbon monoxide, such as in smog (1)

Barry Carter suggests, ?Cleanse your body of the materials that pin ORMES to their metallic state ... We are certainly less likely to be ingesting most of the toxins which pin ORMES if we Are fasting... Ozone seems to neutralize the materials that pin ORMES in the body ... Using oxygen therapies in conjunction with ORMES may be the way to go (7).?

He also suggests, ?To be on the safe side, I would recommend that anyone taking Hudson?s material stick to the (mono-atomic) Rhodium and Iridium since these are the most common in brain tissue and to the (mono-atomic) Gold since it is the least toxic of the metals. By all means stay away from the (mono-atomic) Osmium. (81).?

 Side Effects

 According to David Hudson, ?The people who have taken it, there have been no adverse effects... - There seems to be no adverse effects whatever... Physically there will be no damage, but emotionally boy this is going to get heavy duty real quick... We are finding there is no toxicity. (1)?


According to David Hudson, the material acts like a superconductor, bringing ?light? into the body. Eventually you might experience chakras opening, kundalini rising, telepathy, levitation, bilocation, telekinesis, and communion with beings from other dimensions (3). In yoga these are called ?sidhis? (powers).

David Hudson took mono-atomic Gold for three days and said, ?I do just seem to have information. I don?t know where it comes from. (1)?

?It receives the spirit vibration and brings it into our material body (1).?

?You no longer have to read books, you no longer have to study, because you just know things ... Sacred geometry will, be totally and completely obvious to us (3).?

?The two AIDS patients (who took it) say that they have never been religious, but they just feel more one with their Creator.

They just feel like there?s a oneness (3).?

?As your spirit grows, the changes will be very subtle over a time frame of many months. You become more intuitive, not smarter. You become more cognizant or empathetic of other beings. You will know and understand things you previously could not comprehend and your desires will become for others and not for yourself (9).?


(1) Hudson interview (with Binga), June 28, 1996

(2) July/Aug 1997 SOSF Newsletter

(3) Dallas lecture Feb. 1995

(4) ?The White Gold Adventure? by Don Elwood

(5) Dec. 29, 1995 SOSF Newsletter (Issue 3)

(6) ?For the Record Interview ½ ?, Aug. 8, 1996

7) Personal email from Barry Carter, 1-6-97

(8) Message from Barry Carter to, Jan. 11, 1997

(9) Jan/Feb 1997 SOSF Newsletter 

The Science of the Spirit Foundation By Everett Karels   Sun, 26 May 1996       

David Hudson recently established ?the Science of the Spirit Foundation? to raise the money needed to finance the construction of the factory to produce the white powder. During his various lectures, he discussed various aspects of the foundation rather briefly.

In an effort to get more information on the subject, I visited him in Phoenix on January 15, 1996 and interviewed him for three hours. On the basis of that interview, I prepared the attached financial summary.

I sent the summary to Hudson for his comments. He did not acknowledge that he had either received it or read it. I also sent it to the moderated forum for posting. It was rejected because Hudson had not approved it.

With these caveats firmly in mind, it is now posted to this unmoderated forum for your information and comments. I think the information is important and the members of this forum should have the opportunity to read it and comment upon it with the clear understanding that Hudson has not commented on its accuracy.

Keep in mind that Hudson would be accepting fiduciary responsibilities if he were to make any comments at all on any of this material. Therefore, don?t expect him to ever agree or disagree with anything stated herein.

 Mr. Hudson does publish a monthly newsletter to members of the foundation. We do not have permission to post that newsletter verbatim to this forum. But, in summary, he has stated that the physical building has been completed and it is now being equipped. Initial production should start on schedule around the end of 1996.

Meanwhile, testing of the white powder on cancer patients is progressing on a widening front with startlingly-good results. And, Hudson delights in teasing us by saying that no one, except himself, really understands the white powder yet.

 Business Planning

 Using monies contributed to his spiritual foundation, the ?Science of the Spirit Foundation?, Mr. David Hudson is currently building a prototype production facility for the white powder. It will be a small pilot plant capable of processing one ton of ore per day. The facility will look like an ordinary farm equipment storage and repair facility surrounded by a chain-link fence. There will be no indication that it could be used to produce anything of value.

The white powder itself looks valueless and has no commercial value to thieves. It is not detectable by airport security equipment and even if it were found in a physical search, customs agents would have no concept of its purpose or value. Thus, it will be possible to freely ship the product worldwide across international borders without concern. Any chemical analysis that any governmental agent might perform would indicate that the material was absolutely ?nothing.? Even neutron detectors would be unable to identify it.

Mr. Hudson estimates that the total cost of operating the prototype facility would be about $18,000 per day and its output would be about 2400 ounces of white powder per day. He has stated in his lectures that he can produce $1.5 million of product each day. If you calculate the numbers, you will find that he values the product at $625 per ounce while the production costs are only $7.50 per ounce.

There is an inconsistency in this stated valuation as we will see in the next paragraph.

Mr. Hudson stated that he does not intend to directly sell the product for industrial applications. Instead, he intends to license the white powder in return for a stream of royalty payments, spread over the life of the end product. He intends to ?give? the white powder to selected customers in return for that stream of revenue based on the perceived value of the product to his customers. Perhaps the discounted present value of the revenue stream can be valued at $625 per ounce over a period of several years but it is very unlikely that any customer would be willing to pay $625 per ounce per year for the white powder. Mr. Hudson did not suggest what the annual royalty payment per ounce might be. If the life expectancy were set at ten years, then the discounted annual fee would be more like $75 to $90 per ounce but these are values I calculated; Mr. Hudson did not comment on what that value might be. 

It is important to know this royalty fee per year per ounce to allow the return on investment to be calculated. Without that number, an accurate calculation cannot be performed. (Incidentally, using $75 per ounce per year as the value, this is a very attractive investment although a few years would be required before a substantial return on investment would be realized.)

Of the total production, Mr. Hudson is giving 25% to the 5000 memberships of his spiritual foundation for personal use.

This is equivalent to about 3 ounces per month per membership, shipped quarterly.

This calculates out to be about 2,500 milligrams per day. The product flow was projected to start in mid-1997. The cost of each membership was $500.

 If you liked what you saw or read and would like a 1oz bottle of Milk of the Gods, Mineral Supplement: buy the  Book, Milk of the Gods: Decoding the Philosophers Stone...

Email Rob @ if you are interested in learning how to make the Milk of the Gods Mineral supplement... classes start soon.

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Robert Donald Tonelli, Author Science of Spirit


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